The Malaysia Bigfoot Search continues despite fiasco

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The sudden turn of events of the Johor hominid case has angered and disappointed many. Touted by a reputed Malaysia Nature Society Advisor Vincent Chow and a palenoanthropologist Sean Ang as probably the most significant and mind shattering discovery, the crypto world was lead into crescendo of high expectations and then downwards spiral into dismay abysses when the photos that show red eyes, breasts and scrotum that supposedly cannot be “faked” turn out to be a hoax after all.

API Raymond ponders over current events and give a updated picture of what is going on in the deep jungles of Johor, Malaysia.

The Bigfoot has its beginning in the aborigines who live in the Johor jungles: The Orang Asli. Most of them descend from the Hoabinhians, stone tool-using hunter-gatherers who occupied the peninsula as early as 11,000 BC. Today they comprise of at least 19 culturally and linguistically distinct groups. In 1999 they numbered about 105,000, less than 0.5% of the Malaysian population.

These Orang Asli have a strange legend to tell. In the long past, the Endau valley was inhabited by a tribe of hairy giants. They were called Hantu Serjarang Gigi because of their huge, widely spaced teeth. These giants were well over eight feet tall and had arms of the size of a man’s leg. The Orang Asli still claims that they still exist, but these days they seem to be rare.

Illustruation of Hantu Garang Gigi (Ghost with wide-spaced teeth)

This is an interesting legend as it is known that the Flores people too have similar legends of “small people” before Homo floresiensis was discovered recently.

The part of the wide spacing teeth was intriguing, for Gigantopithecus blacki (a subfamily of Ponginae, of which modern day orang utan also belong), was believed to roam round these region and by their teeth fossils, thought to be a plant eater, eating mainly bamboo and fruits. The teeth fossils were found to have a lot of cavities, most probably due to the high sugar content. Now what is so intriguing is that “Jarang Gigi” is commonly referred to the teeth of an old man who has lost his teeth through old age and decay or a growing kid with milk teeth.

Bigfoot sightings in Malaysia did not just begin late last year. In fact Harold Stephens in the 1970s, had seen huge footprints in the sand along a river bank. And that was in the 1970’s ! There in front of Harold Stephens eyes was huge footprints, big ones, 19 inches by 10 inches. All around the river bank are also found elephant tracks with fresh droppings and numerous tiger tracks. The size of the Bigfoot varies between 6 – 9 feet, hairy but not furry, and red-shot eyes, and give off a strong odour (Source : Harold Stephens’ s Return to Adventure Southeast Asia, 2000)

Harold said at that time that Orang Asli were honest people. They are superstitious but they don’t deliberately tell lies. We believe this statement of Orang Asli being honest people still stand true today at the 21st century.

Harold Stephens with API members and Orang Asli friends

Also according to the Orang Asli historical records, the place Mawai was so named because their forefathers found the Mawas Bigfoot and so named the place after it.

After that, there are some sporadic sightings and even in 1995, the government launched an “Operation Big Foot” at Tanjung Piai forest in South Johor, although there was no results after several days of searching.

Then come the spate of sightings by Orang Asli and footprints finds in 2005.
Most of the footprints and footcast obtained, however can be explained by either botched elephant prints, rhino prints, or a mixture of boar/cow prints.

Because of the different types of footprints found, it led some party to believe Johor Bigfoot may be of different types.

The increased sightings was attribute to the deforestation that is occurring now at rapid pace in Johor jungles. Most of the sightings came from a closely knit group of Orang Asli of which we are in constant contact and which we have become sort of friends throughout these months of investigations.

These group of Orang Asli are led by their chief Alan, together with Along, Amir, Evan, Bahar and Awang are the main witnesses to the Bigfoot sightings. They often goes deep into the Johor jungles for weeks to collect rattan and other jungle produce. It is during these trips that they saw something Big and something inexplicable.

We have personally interviewed these eyewitness several times, checking their testimonies. We concur with Harold Stephen’s observation that they are truthful, and we truly believe they saw something unusual out there.

Our interviews with the Orang Asli’s eyewitnesses together with explanation of many of the so called Big footprints can be found in our API Malaysia Bigfoot Enigma, which is available online here : http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/BF2.htm

Charles, API founder on an investigative trip to Southern Johor

Suddenly in Feb 2006, a society formed only several months ago, the Johor Wildlife Protection Society (JWPS) sprang into the scene with stories of Bigfoot colonies, Bigfoot Eden Garden, and loggers who have telescopic lens to take pictures from 3 m tall tree tops. These colonies are believed to have migrated from Northern Malaysia near the Thai border to Southern Johor, a distance of more than 600 km. The colonies are also believed by this society to follow certain trails, but they always return to a so called Eden Garden whereby fruits are plentiful.

Vincent Chow, I believe also subscribe to following these trails, bound by a triangular area between Mersing (Kahang), Endau Rompin and Panti (Mawai).

As I have said earlier, Vincent Chow is passionate about Bigfoot, in fact too passionate that he take many things in blind faith and attribute them to Bigfoot. The hairs which he found in Kampung Lukut, which is an agricultural farmland, turns out to be human for obvious reasons, yet he attribute it to Homo erectus. The size, footprints and other evidence just did not add up to Homo erectus that even Chinese and other scientists challenge his theory.

Then came the mention of the photographic evidence by JWPS in Feb at a press conference. First they say the photos are locked up in a safe. Then they say someone has offered 170,000 RM for the photos but they refused. Then came this latest mind shattering picture hoax which resulted in a controversy in which Vincent / Sean / JWPS are all disputing where the source of the photos are from.

But Cryto fans, please do not treat the Johor Bigfoot as history just because of this fiasco. Our investigations are still ongoing. We will verify information from our sources, conduct interviews and do investigative research together with other experts. We will keep you informed of updates as and when available. At present, based on current available evidence on hand, we think what the Orang Asli saw might be either a new species of Orangutans, or descandents of the orangutans released by the Johor Sultan more than 30 years ago, or maybe even a newly evolved species from the genus Gigantopithecus.

Do not be disheartened.

Raymond Goh
Senior researcher
API

[Anonymous]

I was browsing thru the web and saw my email to Farshores.org back on 7th March.

Reading back what I wrote was as relevant now as it was back in March….

http://farshores.org/c06bf25.htm
Posted Mar 07.06

CRYPTODIMENSIONS NEWS :.

JOHOR BIGFOOT PROPONENTS MIS-READING THE ‘EVIDENCE’

With the Johor Bigfoot mystery no longer grabbing world headlines, researchers haven’t dropped their attempts to verify any of the various creature sightings and other supportive evidence offered so far. Charles Goh, of Asia Paranormal Investigators, tells FarShores he travelled to Kampung Lukut only last weekend where he had a chance to examine a Bigfoot print recently discovered there. He concluded it was nothing more than a mixture of boar and cow prints. Charles’ website maintains a section devoted to this latest bigfoot mystery and members’ own onsite research. Included is eyewitness testimony, sketches and photographs as API reasons that much of the media and some investigators are jointly guilty of arriving at the wrong conclusion.

I created a new section (2.5) with plenty of photo evidence supporting my theory.
“I also added the testimony of Amir, the one who had an alleged stand-off with Bigfoot in Section 5.6. I found out 2 interesting facts from him:-

“(1) Amir called the creature he saw as an Orang Utan, except that he believed this Orang Utan is 12 ft tall.
“I believe he meant it literally as the Malay translation for ‘Forest People’. It might mean there could be some big ape-like creature roaming around near Sugai Madek.

“(2) Amir said that the ear of this creature, though it had a human face, had comparatively large ears. Could he really be talking about a male Orang Utan with cheek flaps? Their cheek flaps do looked like ears when seen from afar.

“The area to look for the Johor Bigfoot is thus in Sungai Madek and Endau Rompin, not Kota Tinggi. I have written in my report in Section 8.1 why everyone got it wrong, based on improper media reports and information dissemination.

“Amir had an encounter in April 05 but kept it to himself. In Nov 05 a group of his fellow Orang Asli saw something they have never seen before, at the same place Amir saw his creature. Then Amir, knowing that the rest too had seen something, starts to tell his story.

“The stories reached the ears of the National Parks Director Hashim Yusoff, who asked the Orang Asli to bring him to the place of sighting.

“In Dec 05, 3 Orang Asli brought the National Park Director to Lenggor Forest, travelling along Sungai Madek and near their sighting location. Among the three, Amir, who was a fisherman by trade, used a branch to indicate the height of the creature he saw, using the height of a tree there as a gauge.

“The place they were at was also the river end of Sungai Sedili, a large and winding river that stretches more than 50 km from end to end. A portion of Sungai Sedili runs through Kampung Mawai. Never mind that the location of the Sungai where they were at was some 50 km away from Kota Tinggi’s Kampung Lukut & Kampung Mawai.

“As the place of sighting was near a Sungai, the press re-stated another case of Bigfoot sighting that occurred in year 2001, at Sungai Kincin. Never mind that the river was some 80km away, and it stretches into another State running another 20-40 km into Pahang. In the Kincin sighting, fishbones were found along the river, and it was assumed that a family of Bigfoot must had just eaten their meals there. “Somehow that translated into a tale of three fish farm workers who encountered a family of Bigfoot in Kampung Mawai.

“Amazing? Not as amazing as the colony of 12 ft tall Bigfoots that moved from Perak, then to Pahang and now Johor.

“Everybody got it wrong and if I could borrow a phrase from Amir, pointing up the wrong tree.

“That foreign and local groups in their haste to be first to discover bigfoot, disregarded circumstances, evidences and logical reasoning to declare boar-cow prints as a bigfoot print. Else I too can declare I found Bigfoot prints. They are all over Kampung Lukut. I found more than five such prints, with three very distinct imprints in the 20 mins I was there.

“I do hope my article reaches the desk of Johor National Parks Director.
“If Bigfoot exists in Malaysia, then having been able to hide from humankind for so long, it can’t be found so easily, especially not in a agricultural place like Kampung Lukut, Kota Tinggi. Look towards your 248 million years old forest, Endau Rompin. My interviews showed that Orang Asli had seen giant humanlike prints in those forests. The 1970 hunt by Harold Stephens showed a clear trail ofidentical giant human prints along River Kincin. In addition, an Orang Asli lad of 21 years drew a giant human footprint he saw in Endau Rompin, very similar to the trail Mr Stephens saw.”
“
Use the above link to visit the API page comprehensively covering The Malaysian Bigfoot Enigma – fs

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[Anonymous]

The sudden turn of events of the Johor hominid case has angered and disappointed many. Touted by a reputed Malaysia Nature Society Advisor Vincent Chow and a palenoanthropologist Sean Ang as probably the most significant and mind shattering discovery, the crypto world was lead into crescendo of high expectations and then downwards spiral into dismay abysses when the photos that show red eyes, breasts and scrotum that supposedly cannot be “faked” turn out to be a hoax after all.

API Raymond ponders over current events and give a updated picture of what is going on in the deep jungles of Johor, Malaysia.

The Bigfoot has its beginning in the aborigines who live in the Johor jungles: The Orang Asli. Most of them descend from the Hoabinhians, stone tool-using hunter-gatherers who occupied the peninsula as early as 11,000 BC. Today they comprise of at least 19 culturally and linguistically distinct groups. In 1999 they numbered about 105,000, less than 0.5% of the Malaysian population.

These Orang Asli have a strange legend to tell. In the long past, the Endau valley was inhabited by a tribe of hairy giants. They were called Hantu Serjarang Gigi because of their huge, widely spaced teeth. These giants were well over eight feet tall and had arms of the size of a man’s leg. The Orang Asli still claims that they still exist, but these days they seem to be rare.

Illustruation of Hantu Garang Gigi (Ghost with wide-spaced teeth)

This is an interesting legend as it is known that the Flores people too have similar legends of “small people” before Homo floresiensis was discovered recently.

The part of the wide spacing teeth was intriguing, for Gigantopithecus blacki (a subfamily of Ponginae, of which modern day orang utan also belong), was believed to roam round these region and by their teeth fossils, thought to be a plant eater, eating mainly bamboo and fruits. The teeth fossils were found to have a lot of cavities, most probably due to the high sugar content. Now what is so intriguing is that “Jarang Gigi” is commonly referred to the teeth of an old man who has lost his teeth through old age and decay or a growing kid with milk teeth.

Bigfoot sightings in Malaysia did not just begin late last year. In fact Harold Stephens in the 1970s, had seen huge footprints in the sand along a river bank. And that was in the 1970’s ! There in front of Harold Stephens eyes was huge footprints, big ones, 19 inches by 10 inches. All around the river bank are also found elephant tracks with fresh droppings and numerous tiger tracks. The size of the Bigfoot varies between 6 – 9 feet, hairy but not furry, and red-shot eyes, and give off a strong odour (Source : Harold Stephens’ s Return to Adventure Southeast Asia, 2000)

Harold said at that time that Orang Asli were honest people. They are superstitious but they don’t deliberately tell lies. We believe this statement of Orang Asli being honest people still stand true today at the 21st century.

Harold Stephens with API members and Orang Asli friends

Also according to the Orang Asli historical records, the place Mawai was so named because their forefathers found the Mawas Bigfoot and so named the place after it.

After that, there are some sporadic sightings and even in 1995, the government launched an “Operation Big Foot” at Tanjung Piai forest in South Johor, although there was no results after several days of searching.

Then come the spate of sightings by Orang Asli and footprints finds in 2005.
Most of the footprints and footcast obtained, however can be explained by either botched elephant prints, rhino prints, or a mixture of boar/cow prints.

Because of the different types of footprints found, it led some party to believe Johor Bigfoot may be of different types.

The increased sightings was attribute to the deforestation that is occurring now at rapid pace in Johor jungles. Most of the sightings came from a closely knit group of Orang Asli of which we are in constant contact and which we have become sort of friends throughout these months of investigations.

These group of Orang Asli are led by their chief Alan, together with Along, Amir, Evan, Bahar and Awang are the main witnesses to the Bigfoot sightings. They often goes deep into the Johor jungles for weeks to collect rattan and other jungle produce. It is during these trips that they saw something Big and something inexplicable.

We have personally interviewed these eyewitness several times, checking their testimonies. We concur with Harold Stephen’s observation that they are truthful, and we truly believe they saw something unusual out there.

Our interviews with the Orang Asli’s eyewitnesses together with explanation of many of the so called Big footprints can be found in our API Malaysia Bigfoot Enigma, which is available online here : http://www.api.sg/research/MYbigfoot/BF2.htm

Charles, API founder on an investigative trip to Southern Johor

Suddenly in Feb 2006, a society formed only several months ago, the Johor Wildlife Protection Society (JWPS) sprang into the scene with stories of Bigfoot colonies, Bigfoot Eden Garden, and loggers who have telescopic lens to take pictures from 3 m tall tree tops. These colonies are believed to have migrated from Northern Malaysia near the Thai border to Southern Johor, a distance of more than 600 km. The colonies are also believed by this society to follow certain trails, but they always return to a so called Eden Garden whereby fruits are plentiful.

Vincent Chow, I believe also subscribe to following these trails, bound by a triangular area between Mersing (Kahang), Endau Rompin and Panti (Mawai).

As I have said earlier, Vincent Chow is passionate about Bigfoot, in fact too passionate that he take many things in blind faith and attribute them to Bigfoot. The hairs which he found in Kampung Lukut, which is an agricultural farmland, turns out to be human for obvious reasons, yet he attribute it to Homo erectus. The size, footprints and other evidence just did not add up to Homo erectus that even Chinese and other scientists challenge his theory.

Then came the mention of the photographic evidence by JWPS in Feb at a press conference. First they say the photos are locked up in a safe. Then they say someone has offered 170,000 RM for the photos but they refused. Then came this latest mind shattering picture hoax which resulted in a controversy in which Vincent / Sean / JWPS are all disputing where the source of the photos are from.

But Cryto fans, please do not treat the Johor Bigfoot as history just because of this fiasco. Our investigations are still ongoing. We will verify information from our sources, conduct interviews and do investigative research together with other experts. We will keep you informed of updates as and when available. At present, based on current available evidence on hand, we think what the Orang Asli saw might be either a new species of Orangutans, or descandents of the orangutans released by the Johor Sultan more than 30 years ago, or maybe even a newly evolved species from the genus Gigantopithecus.

Do not be disheartened.

Raymond Goh
Senior researcher
API

[Anonymous]

I was browsing thru the web and saw my email to Farshores.org back on 7th March.

Reading back what I wrote was as relevant now as it was back in March….

http://farshores.org/c06bf25.htm
Posted Mar 07.06

CRYPTODIMENSIONS NEWS :.

JOHOR BIGFOOT PROPONENTS MIS-READING THE ‘EVIDENCE’

With the Johor Bigfoot mystery no longer grabbing world headlines, researchers haven’t dropped their attempts to verify any of the various creature sightings and other supportive evidence offered so far. Charles Goh, of Asia Paranormal Investigators, tells FarShores he travelled to Kampung Lukut only last weekend where he had a chance to examine a Bigfoot print recently discovered there. He concluded it was nothing more than a mixture of boar and cow prints. Charles’ website maintains a section devoted to this latest bigfoot mystery and members’ own onsite research. Included is eyewitness testimony, sketches and photographs as API reasons that much of the media and some investigators are jointly guilty of arriving at the wrong conclusion.

I created a new section (2.5) with plenty of photo evidence supporting my theory.
“I also added the testimony of Amir, the one who had an alleged stand-off with Bigfoot in Section 5.6. I found out 2 interesting facts from him:-

“(1) Amir called the creature he saw as an Orang Utan, except that he believed this Orang Utan is 12 ft tall.
“I believe he meant it literally as the Malay translation for ‘Forest People’. It might mean there could be some big ape-like creature roaming around near Sugai Madek.

“(2) Amir said that the ear of this creature, though it had a human face, had comparatively large ears. Could he really be talking about a male Orang Utan with cheek flaps? Their cheek flaps do looked like ears when seen from afar.

“The area to look for the Johor Bigfoot is thus in Sungai Madek and Endau Rompin, not Kota Tinggi. I have written in my report in Section 8.1 why everyone got it wrong, based on improper media reports and information dissemination.

“Amir had an encounter in April 05 but kept it to himself. In Nov 05 a group of his fellow Orang Asli saw something they have never seen before, at the same place Amir saw his creature. Then Amir, knowing that the rest too had seen something, starts to tell his story.

“The stories reached the ears of the National Parks Director Hashim Yusoff, who asked the Orang Asli to bring him to the place of sighting.

“In Dec 05, 3 Orang Asli brought the National Park Director to Lenggor Forest, travelling along Sungai Madek and near their sighting location. Among the three, Amir, who was a fisherman by trade, used a branch to indicate the height of the creature he saw, using the height of a tree there as a gauge.

“The place they were at was also the river end of Sungai Sedili, a large and winding river that stretches more than 50 km from end to end. A portion of Sungai Sedili runs through Kampung Mawai. Never mind that the location of the Sungai where they were at was some 50 km away from Kota Tinggi’s Kampung Lukut & Kampung Mawai.

“As the place of sighting was near a Sungai, the press re-stated another case of Bigfoot sighting that occurred in year 2001, at Sungai Kincin. Never mind that the river was some 80km away, and it stretches into another State running another 20-40 km into Pahang. In the Kincin sighting, fishbones were found along the river, and it was assumed that a family of Bigfoot must had just eaten their meals there. “Somehow that translated into a tale of three fish farm workers who encountered a family of Bigfoot in Kampung Mawai.

“Amazing? Not as amazing as the colony of 12 ft tall Bigfoots that moved from Perak, then to Pahang and now Johor.

“Everybody got it wrong and if I could borrow a phrase from Amir, pointing up the wrong tree.

“That foreign and local groups in their haste to be first to discover bigfoot, disregarded circumstances, evidences and logical reasoning to declare boar-cow prints as a bigfoot print. Else I too can declare I found Bigfoot prints. They are all over Kampung Lukut. I found more than five such prints, with three very distinct imprints in the 20 mins I was there.

“I do hope my article reaches the desk of Johor National Parks Director.
“If Bigfoot exists in Malaysia, then having been able to hide from humankind for so long, it can’t be found so easily, especially not in a agricultural place like Kampung Lukut, Kota Tinggi. Look towards your 248 million years old forest, Endau Rompin. My interviews showed that Orang Asli had seen giant humanlike prints in those forests. The 1970 hunt by Harold Stephens showed a clear trail ofidentical giant human prints along River Kincin. In addition, an Orang Asli lad of 21 years drew a giant human footprint he saw in Endau Rompin, very similar to the trail Mr Stephens saw.”
“
Use the above link to visit the API page comprehensively covering The Malaysian Bigfoot Enigma – fs

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